Hi Gentlemen thanks for your help I am out of patience, I spent 3 hours in the car driving my graphics guy who spent an hour with me using all your instructions he could not make it work either, so I can only suggesta file to be sent somehow, is this possible, my email address is mike.sydwest@bigpond.com, failing that I will do a manual block and paste it a couple of hundred times,
By the way thanks for your time